Cesctastical Developments… Is Guardiola lying? Or are Arsenal lying?

Afternoon all…

Today has been a cesctastical day of words from both our chairman in Peter Hill Wood and then Barcelona manager, Pep Guardiola. There has been a lot of debate about whether or not we’re going to sell Cesc Fabregas this summer and a lot of playing down by the manager and Gazidis. Both have been quite adamant that we’re not going to sell Cesc whatsoever, for any price at all.

There has also been a lot of speculation whether a deal was agreed last summer to sell. The club have rejected all reports regarding this and are insistent that they have never agreed to sell Cesc.

However, in contrary to the quotes from Arsene and Ivan, PHW spoke in the tabloids this morning and categorically said that if the right offer came in for Cesc, then we would sell.

“I am not sure how keen they are. There are still stories in the (Spanish) press, but they don’t talk to us. They’ve made one offer, which works out at around £26m, but that was ages ago. But at the moment our situation is very straight-forward: we don’t want to lose him. Obviously if they come up with an offer which was a very good offer we would have to think about it. We have told them a number of times that what they are proposing is unacceptable and yet they haven’t moved on it. I don’t approve of what they are doing, but unfortunately it seems the way of the world right now.”

It’s the first time I’ve really heard us say that we will sell and a sign that we’re now open to the move. Cesc didn’t have his best season last year, but his stats proved that he is a integral part of our team. I don’t think Arsene or Ivan want to lose him – but in light of PHW’s recent comments, how much do you think it will cost Barcelona to force our hand? There were rumours earlier in the season that Barcelona had gone up to £35m but no higher…

But if they came in at £40m, I think we would sell. And I think they know that – which is why they’re trying to get him for a cheaper price…

The next development of the day came from the Barcelona manager who gave us a massive insight to the situation… take a read:

“Last year we were interested in Cesc but Arsenal did not make him available. This year Arsenal have agreed to negotiate and we’re working on it. Prices in the market are what they are right now, but I hope that everything can be resolved. Everything we have done has been with permission of Arsenal and Mr. Wenger knows that. Cesc owes them.”

The question is, is Guardiola lying? Or are Arsenal lying?

Arsenal say no deal agreed, and no sale – Barcelona say he is available and they’re in negotiations…  Are we stupid to believe that our club would just say “no”, or are Arsenal the type of club that sells if the price is right? Adebayor and Vieira both say they didn’t want to go (the former’s words questionable), but were sold for high prices – if the offer is right, then surely we are a selling club? Man United parted with Ronaldo for £80m.

Would we part with Cesc for £40m, for £50m, for £60m….?

And if we did, who would replace him?

  • afc4life

    I would trust anything that came out from Barcelona’s mouths… they are all a bunch of liars and cheats. Simple as.

    Although having said that – I do think we’re more open to selling this summer than we ever have been.

    £50m I think is the golden number.

    Madrid seem to spend a lot on marquee signings, but Barcelona don’t – they all seem to be under £50m.

  • agentsmurf

    If we get rid of Cesc its a massive kick in the bollox but fuck him if he wants to go. And to be honest can you blame him? Wenger is not using any of the cash to sign a established quality player which would convince the players to stay – I think we will find out more in the next 2 weeks.

  • agentsmurf

    or they’ll do some shit like guarantee him a move next season for peanuts like £30 mill

  • agentsmurf

    Interesting alleged quotes from Gervinho in the papers this morning. ‘I came to Arsenal to have a chance to work with AW’ & ‘ I think AW can improve my game and move it to the next level’ Nothing about wanting to play for Arsenal, just Wenger. Sounds to me suspiciously like another Adebeyor, looking to use our club as a stepping stone to RM, Barca, Utd, City or Milan, where the big bucks are. I will not judge Gervinho on possible mis-quotes and hope the guy really wants pull on the red jersey, but I have an awful feeling. One & half seasons of effort and goals and then looking for a bigger move?

  • agentsmurf

    We would definitely part with cesc if they offered the bucks and I dont think he’d want to hang around with the dross that is now unfortuantely Arsenal

  • Rob

    @agentsmurf – just out of curiosity, did you see the entire interview with Gervinho or just responding to the out-of-context quotations? I have to admit I thought similar to you, i.e. he’s thinking about himself and not winning with the team, but then I watched the interview on Arsenal Player and felt much better about it. Reporters (and bloggers) will make things more controversial than they are – don’t get fooled.

  • spanishgooner

    I think we´d be daft not to sell him if the price is right as it´s clear he wants to go – has done for a while.Why not ? We´ve won bugger all as a club since he´s been playing for us – BUGGER ALL – so however good a player he is it´s clear that the team is not working out . His fault ? Not saying it is , just saying it like it is . Maybe it´s time he went and we have a forced tweak of the team – who knows,could be just what the doctor ordered.

    One thing´s for sure . The Arsenal have been around a long time and the departure of Cesc is´nt going to alter that.

  • afc4life

    @ agentsmurf:

    Gervinho’s quotes before joining were about Arsenal.
    Obviously AW is a key component of the attraction to the club too. Nothing wrong in that.

  • Berth

    Fab out. Finally Diaby might get to play his own style, same as Ramsey and wilshere u neva know

  • http://worldofarsenal Josiah

    off topic but is carl jenkinson a signing for the first team? i dont know if i am not realising something here..

  • edison

    i doubt Gervinho would disrespect the club he has just signed for, even knowingly. If you have watched any interviews of him online, he hasn’t exactly got a lot of english speaking in him anyway.

    fantastic player, cant wait to see him in action.

  • Bonathan

    Just thought, we’ll be missing gervinho at african nations time as well. Hopefully frimpong won’t get called up for ghana but if he’s as good as they say he is i have a feeling he might make the squad. What a pain in the arse the african nations is by the way. why do they insist on having it every two years, whilst also being at a terrible time. If it was every 4 year it wouldn’t be so bad.

    african nations has hit chelsea hard in the past a few times having mikel, essien, drogba and kalou. We now have song, eboue (problem alieviated with jenkinson coming in), gervinho and possibly frimpong.

    so i guess if frimpong is called up then its the DM position that we will be hit the hardest. diaby is an option, although he can’t tackle. maybe playing wilshire in a more defensive role could be the answer. I know a few people have suggested kos, but i really don’t see that. kyle bartley could be an option mind.

  • JDD

    obviously losing cesc would be a blow because he is such a great player however i feel that it could be a huge positive for the team.i feel having fabregas as the key man in our midfield has stopped us from using the 4-4-2 formation as it would basicly leave us with one man in the middle of the park. look at our most suucessful sides under wenger. 1997/98 Petit and Vieira both players add attacking qualitites but were disciplined enough too do there defensively quilities.2003/04 Gilberto and Vieira Gilberto was the orthodix holding midfielding this allowed veiria too contirbrute when we attacked but he still got stuck in and was committed to his defensive responsibilities.if fabregas and song were to play to together in midfield then i cant see fabregas being disciplined enough to help out defensively. this is why we have used the 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 formation in recent times.i think this formation hinders the balance of the team although it may work in continental leagues succes hasnt been proven in the premeirship so i feel reverting back to 4-4-2 would be a good decision.

    Szcesny
    Sagna Koscielny Vermaelen Gibbs
    Arshavin Song Wilshere Nasri
    Van Persie
    Gervinho/Walcott

  • Arsenal15

    With due respect I xsee any issue there. Both party could be true but F):$k Barca. Let’s not be denial
    N ignorance that Cesc wanting to leave the club – which left the club with no option but to sell him at the right price. I found it disheartening that our captain could only be quiet when Barca players disrespecting the club with comments about our players . Remember the back heel last season CL, that would make him the fan’s fav there.

    During galacticos era when Barca were shit, Puyol remains with the club. We needed that sort of player/ captain. Can’t blame Cesc that he don’t ha d Arsenal DNA n he no longer believe in AFC n AW. Good luck to him.

    As for Barca , CUoCO.

  • http://www.oohtobeagooner.com/ Gooner Steve

    I think Wenger is lying. He did the same thing before Henry and Vieira left, insisting they’d be at Arsenal the following season. In fact he GUARANTEED that Henry would stay just 12 days before he joined Barca.

  • rado

    Its alright saying that we have money to spend and we can buy anyone that Wenger wants and who will fit into the team and improve the squad at the right price. These are words we have heard before!. Problem there are 3 1. Wenger must want the player . 2. the player must not be overpriced and 3. player must improve the squad. So the player has to be world class. He must like Mr Wenger and he will not want too much Wages. Since we have heard these words before and to think that last year we ended up with Koscielny SKILLachi and Chamackh beggars belief, Yes they were affordable maybe did not want too much wages but Improve the squad?????.So we must be looking for cheap nobodies yet sit in the most expensive seats in town to watch them.And yes Wenger did say last year that he would deliver a trophy ???? (We lost a cup final against a team who eventually got relegated.) It means that Wenger actually believes in the squad that he has I also think that he cannot see the defensive problems that we are all worried about. I now actually think that Wenger thinks that Almunia,Fabs,szensny, Squillachi Koscielny, giibs, sagna , Djourou,, Eboue , & New boy is a strong defensive UNIT??(Maybe if we can play them all at the same time). Its something that most fans and football pundits/Jounalists can see where Arsenal is weak apart from our own manager and thats where the frustration. 4/5 years ago we all realised we needed a good goalkeeper and central defenders. Yes he bought Vermalean but thats it the rest he bought midfieders and strikers. Now go back to the Gazidis Words about buying players??????????????????????????????????

  • agentsmurf

    Alot of comments on Vela now. I must say, there isn’t much of a difference between him and Eduardo when he played for us but can easily say Eddy edges it more! We’ve all seen vela play and he’s not really a goal threat. Yes he’s a fantastic finisher but the ‘fox in the box’ type player? I don’t think so. Until Arsene contributes to a stronger squad and change the predictable style of play ‘pass it to the wings then cross in in the box’ then he and Arsenal might have a chance! That’s what done us also last season we were predictable in our game play, always have been for 6yrs. Every team In the epl know how to play against us which is sad! Back in the invincible days we had hard heads that you coudn’t mess with.. Now Iam hearing Cliche has a problem with the tackling at City?? This gets great every damn day!!!

  • Steve

    Very quiet out there kind of surprised the Merksacker rumours are not rife with especially if he has one year left on his contract

  • agentsmurf

    Well the quotes from Stan Kronke finally put things into perspective. He has quoted that there are substantial funds that have been made available to the manager. Now we all know, it is Wenger who is reluctant to spend. Wenger who refuses to bring anyone in. Blinded by the ARROGANCE that he can win the league with a CHEAP team that cost nothing to assemble. The clock is ticking Wenger. I dont think the man has any IDEA what is in store for him if we get to the 13 of August without making anymore key signings.

  • Bonathan

    if spurs can keep modric, then surely we can keep fabregas.

    If spurs do lose modric , they’l be getting £30+ million, so i expect at least 40 for fab if he goes. Anything less and we’ve been very foolish.

  • agentsmurf

    Another day arrives with no sign of Wenger getting off his backside and doing what he is paid £6million a year for. All we hear are stories linking us with players whilst we all know nothing will happen. Wenger is too busy firefighting with Cesc and Samir both desperate to escape Wenger’s team of bottlers to bring in the 4/5 players we need just to stay in the top4. The small band of disillusioned members of the Wenger is God fan brigade have run out of excuses there only defence being to claim there are 6 weeks left before the transfer deadline. What they will say on Sept 1st I don’t know, no doubt they will tow the line once Wenger has cracked the old three line whip and they will convince themselves that Wenger has assembled the greatest side in the history of football. If Wenger doesn’t deliver in the window, and he hasn’t in the last 14 then this must be his last season. The excuses wont wash anymore and even our BofD will have to draw a curtain across the man with the biggest head in football.

  • agentsmurf

    Brilliant. Arsenal.com describe Ryo Myiachi as a ‘new signing’. pretty sure we signed him last season and he spent a year on loan in the dutch erdivision. they’re even trying to kid themselves now. Does that mean we can count Gervinho, jenkinson and Myiachi as the 3 or 4 signing Wenger spoke about at the end of last season?

  • yemi

    @ agentsmurf:
    To count those as the signings will be utterly insane.

    I think Wenger has plans but is also consttrained by the fact that those who are supposed to leave are still very much around.
    Fingers crosses, we have less than six weeks to the close of the transfer window.

  • yemi

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