Hannover 0 – 1 Arsenal (& could Vieira return?)

Evening all,

Our final pre-season before the Emirates Cup took place today and what seemed to be a decent run out for the team. Arsene took the opportunity against Hannover to experiment with a 4-3-3, fielding Bendtner, Arshavin and Van Persie. With the 4-3-3 that we play, it always looks a bit like a 4-1-4-1 or a 4-2-3-1, as one or two of our midfielders join the attack on the regular basis.

Today, we saw deployed in a more forward role, with both Alex Song and Denilson behind him. In a way, the formation looked like this:

Mannone

Eboue – Vermaelen – Gallas – Traore

Denilson – Song

Bendtner – Fabregas – Arshavin

Van Persie

It was on the whole, a decent game, the first pre-season game for Cesc and good to see Arshavin and Van Persie in action and fit. It looks like our first choice centre back partnership will be Vermaelen and Gallas and the pair looked solid enough considering it’s early days in their partnership. I do like the look of Vermaelen and of course, remember the stellar performances that Gallas put in before his injury last season.

The result was 1-0 and the goal game through good play from Van Persie and Cesc, a nice one two creeping through the defence for the captain to round the keeper. The rest of the was a good workout – Hannover having a go – and we did well throughout – Alex Song and Denilson putting in pretty amazing performances.

I won’t deviate from the topic of this post too much but I will touch on the Kolo transfer. Whether or not you approve of the transfe of Kolo Toure to Man City – and I love Kolo to bits – Arsene has brought in a replacement. One thing that I’ve come across recently is a statement by Oliver Kay at the Times, who said something very interesting.

Wenger, while continuing to search for reinforcements, has told his board that Arsenal will be a force to be reckoned with next season, he has done so with conviction, rather than hope.

And whilst I do think we’re a club who have a debt to service and cannot turn down massive offers for players, I’m sure if Arsene thinks the squad need a player or two, a Chamakh or similar player, considering the sudden £45m war chest, he will buy a player. But if he doesn’t buy someone, it may be because he honestly doesn’t believe we need anyone.

Kay went on to say:

Wenger has weighed up the threat posed by City and concluded that his club’s needs are best served by selling them Touré and Adebayor. It is a risky strategy, one that may feasibly backfire, but Wenger believes that it will make Arsenal stronger.

And if you look at the squad and where it was last summer, add Arshavin instead of Adebayor and add in Vermaelen instead of Toure – then throw in Eduardo and Rosicky, two players who were missing for pretty much the whole season, then give everyone in the squad an extra year of Premiership and Champions League experience, you have what we have now. Is that good or bad?

Our best player against Hannover? Alex Song.

Finally a quick one for you – although I didn’t listen to it – I’m hearing that Ian Wright believes that Vieira is on his way back to Arsenal – he said this on his show yesterday:

“I’m hearing Vieira, pay-as-you-play back at Arsenal. That’s what I’m hearing and that’s what I’m hoping.”

Interesting news, I wonder if there is any truth in it!?!

  • Fo

    Alex Song looked awesome. Denilson looked good. Cesc looked good too. What has happened to Diaby this season – has he featured at all?

    We don’t have enough central midfielders to play 4-3-3 as if Song and Cesc are missing, then we will end up playing Ramsey and Diaby and if we have 3 players out, I can’t think of anyone else who could play there.

    We can play three at the top no doubt, though, as Walcott, Rosicky, Van Persie, Vela, Eduardo and Arshavin can all play in a three.

    If Arsene wants to go 4-3-3 this season then I’m convinced he’ll need to buy a DM or two.

    But I think he is just experiementing as he did once say he wants to be able to switch between 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 easily…

    Emirates Cup next!

  • Fo

    Do you think the Vieira link is possible at all? Just imagine that – how has the player been? What form is he in? Isn’t he 34 or something now?

  • Bergkamp4Eva

    As much as i would welcome Vierra back at the club, i cant work out why he would come back for a play as you play deal. I know Tottenham would like to bring him to them, and i imagine that would be for a standard contract, knowing how much Vierra loves Arsenal i can’t see that happening, but its not like he doesn’t play for Inter at all, so unless he’s thinking of retiring the season after next and wants to finish at Arsenal on a pay as you play. I don’t know how much faith i can put in this rumour

  • JDD

    vieira loved arsenal and was sad to leave when he did.i dont think he would mind a pay-as-you-play deal.vieira would bring much more to our squad than contributing on the field.players like song and diaby would be able to learn alot from him in training and he would be another leader on the pitch.

  • Jimmy

    I think Vieira is a good idea, he can help DEnilson and Song become class DMs. Then add Hangeland and we will have a perfect squad.

  • Gooner til i die

    Hope viera and henry will come back Arsenal one day and end their careers at here… Maybe Pires as well. Haha~

  • Mehedi

    pay-as-you-play ?????
    Please

  • Leeroy.N

    Exactly! Pay as you play is perfect for him. Finish off his career at the club and remain as an Ambassador and coach for the future Generals of our Mid (Diaby, Denilson, Song, Fabregas and even Ramsey). *sends messages to Vieira* Seriously though, I think having him just in the dressing room would be a Big and Massive lift for the team. I think Diaby has been told to ease up and rest a little. He went away for the off-season to train, so we might see him in the Emirates Cup I would imagine. I see sunshine through the clouds and that silver lining is getting brighter. Come on you Gunners!!

    Gooner Til I Die!

  • Fabrez

    Saw Vieira play for Inter against Chelsea. He looked ok. I think he’d fit right back in to Arsene’s style of play. Don’t think he’s ever become used to Mourinho’s style of play. I think he still has Arsenal blood in his veins and if he’s ok with a pay as u play…well who knows? I tmite happen. Not sure I’m for it but I’d love to hear what ppl r thinking… He sure knows how to win trophies, that’s 4 sure… But not sure him coming back is the direction Arsene wants to take…but as Leeroy said he’d b a darn good mentor for the likes of Ramsey, Denilson, Diaby, Song. Song really impressed me today tho. So kudos to him!

  • Fabrez

    And the Chelsea-Inter game i’m talking about was this pre-season. So recent stuff! Maybe he’s the mettle we can add to our midfield. He won’t b as fast as he used to be but he’ll no doubt add experience. I’d weirdly be happy if Vieira comes back but for now that’s based more on sentiment i think. I’ll sleep on this and see how i feel in the morning! lol

  • Justin

    Am worried a bit about Rosicky!!!
    Why is he not playing after the barnet game?? I konw he cant be rushed back too soon, but 20-30 minutes in the Hannover 96 match would’nt have hurt his progress….
    Its just that I get the fear Rosicky is injured again when I dont see him on the training pictures on arsenal .com.

  • Taliban

    My instincts tell me that arsenal will finish 4th dis season.Not cos they will be superb, but because of the inconsistencies ot everton, aston villa and the ineptitude of man-city coach, mark hughs whom i believe is not good enuf to keep all the players at citeh happy plus he will not be able to command respect like arsene wenger or sir alex..despite the additions n subtractions of players since january, we have been considerably weaker.I wont flog the issue of our needing a defensive midfielder, but if we are to fight for any trophy, then we need to strenghten our squad with players dat can come off the bench and make an impact..i luv wenger…BUT I LUV ARSENAL EVEN MORE

  • Debs

    I think if the deal happens, it’ll be more of a fan-pleasing decision, as opposed to sound footballing logic. He’s 33, and like Fabrez said, he’s not as quick anymore. He’ll definitely be a huge addition in the dressong room, and the players will get over Toure’s absence pretty quickly. I doubt if he’ll play week-in-week-out, which is apparently what he’s after. If he comes, I think it’ll mainly be cameo appearances off the bench, and maybe he’ll play the odd game. It’ll be good if he can end his career at Arsenal. That’ll be totally amazing! We don’t seem to have any players that one can confidently say will end their career at Arsenal, given our ‘old age’ policy!

  • Berth

    The thought of how Arsenal has suddenly become an average team still baffles; and more so how the fans have come to admit it is still what I can’t understand. Am I leaving in a fools paradise or has harry Potter cast a spell on our coach or club.

    Someone up there is not happy with my words; I will lenient but Wenger should consider being more lenient and do us a favour; just buy what we need.

    Back to Biz: Bringing back Viera is just making up numbers for us; I doubt his capabilities; better go for the kill or be killed, buy experience not geriatric- I still question Wenger and the club’s motives.

  • Debs

    Would Wenger really do it though? I am actually getting excited about the possibility of it happening! Feels almost as massive as Schumi returning to F1! lol
    Just wondering, does anyone know who, out of the current squad have actually played with Vieira before? My football knowledge doesn’t extend that far! lol

  • hello

    VIEIRA
    HANGELAND
    HUNTELAAR
    HAPPY!!

  • sam

    I think Cesc has played along Vieira, may be even RVP.
    Would love to see Vieira back, not just as a player but mostly as a mentor for the young ones. He may be the only person to coach them on the required fighting spirit which they are frankly lacking.

  • Yemi

    Debs, maybe cesc played a bit with viera.

  • Yemi

    Debs, maybe cesc played a bit with viera. Not sure though !

  • hello

    He started in the Charity Shield in 2004 against Utd in place for injured vieira and then played along side vieira for most of the season…

  • hello

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    VIEIRA
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    HANGELAND
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    HUNTELAAR
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    HAPPY!!
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  • Berth

    How I wish our tone could sound a bit differently; like lets say;Song was solid but still has some flaws like lack of maximum concentration; why not also put it that we have V.P, Edu and Vela; who are all left footed and can’t control with there right foot; why not say lets buy a drogba present like player; why not say Viera won’t be good enough, why not just put up a team that can win the league other than settling for 4th position consistently; why not just build the belief other than destroying the unity. Why can’t we as a club buy players like Zlatan or Eto or Ribery – we can actually shape the club like that if we want; just that the mind set tells us otherwise.

    Wenger has to make this season a make or mar season; why not just tell us there is hope; give us the belief, buy Hangland’ Hunteelar or a Diarra or Gignac or Veloso or any player with a big heart that can cause a threat to defenders not a little Edu or V.P that lacks basic nodding skills or Betdner that will always miss sitters. there is a thin line between love and hate; that line of is braking up; the hope is there but it is very forlorn.

  • Berth

    * breaking up

  • Kenneth

    Arsene Wenger is just too slow for my liking in the transfer market.
    He should get Huntelaar and the other ducth midfielder with Brede. All these silence is driving me mad.

    Whats this about viera, we can win the premiership without the aid of past players. I bet you viera wont play upto 10 matches because he is vulnerable right now. injury prone.. Ooh please

  • KFC

    lets kidnap the taliban and buy a DM.

  • KFC

    Lets kidnap Cesc and hold Arsene to ransom till he buys a DM and a striker. anyone in?

  • hello

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    Viera, Hangeland, Huntelaar, Happy!!

  • berth

    KFC – I absolutly love that idea; it makes perfect sense.

  • Yemi

    KFC, with u all the way!!! cesc and arshavin

  • bayo

    is it my own opinion or a feeling viera is not good enough again the premier league has changed,if we sold kolo because he has dropped why bring viera i smell something the players are been sold to pay debts thats why we ars going for old viera and what the hell is wrong with wenger saying if he would buy we v made him belief he is all in all of arsenal he is just another coach and he should not mis use the respect we v for him.

  • bayo

    its been bad news sinse the begining of the market now the motto of arsenal is IF ITS NOT BAD NEWS THEN ITS NOT ARSENAL

  • bayo

    just read that rosicky had a minor niggling injury after the barnet match.

  • Leeroy.N

    I think Clichy has played the most games Vieira with along with Fabregas. Clichy was part of the Invincibles squad. I am full of anxiety myself, but it turns into excitement because I know this isn’t how we are going to start the season and I really doubt it’s going to be how we start Champions League. Something is breweing, something good and something worth the wait. 1, 2 or maybe even 3 possible signing are due and maybe even expected. Wenger isn’t stupid and you know and can tell he isn’t 100% happy with the squad. He knows what HE wants and where HE needs to strengthen. HE knows how MUCH he has to spend, how HE WANTS to spend and how me HE NEEDS to spend. I know we all watch hours of these games and we have our own opinions of what we want or think we need, but it’s out of our hands. Us coming 4th isn’t by accident or luck, we managed to get in 10 points clear even with our own inconsistances, injuries and bad referering/unjust calls. I manitain that we do need extra and more experienced players in DM, CB and CF. The worry is spendning money on players who are not worth the time or effort, every player Wenger brought in has been worth his weight in diamonds and gold, so I still have faith in what will happen and another season to come. Players with have already need to be on the top of the game, mind-set and attitude. If we get off to a good start and have the players to cover and replace in-case of injuries.. the future is defenaly looking bright. Come On You Gunners!

    Gonner Til I Die!

  • Yemi

    In what capacity is viera coming back ? can he stop the likes of drogba, torres, rooney, yakubu, agbonlahor and many more ? the premiership is faster than he can handle

  • Debs

    Rosicky, minor injury… According to Sky Sports News! No need to say more!

  • Yemi

    @Leeroy.N: As much as i like your spirit, i don’t share in it as long as i don’t see anything being done

  • Yemi

    Just what i tought about rosisky, you think he will come back from an 18 month injury and star playing witout hitches ? just think of edu’c comeback and you will know what i am saying.

    Nasri out, rosisky niggling, edu not 100%, RVP injury prone (hope he has gotten over that). Now you can understand why bayo and mesol are so aggressive about this mess we seem to be heading for !!!
    There is no wonderful news in viera coming back to play except it will be in an entirely advisory role.

    I dont know what silvestre and senderos are still doing at the emirates.

    I don’t know why huntelaar and hangeland are not yet in

  • berth

    @ Leeroy: Wenger seems confused to me at the moment. If you have not won a trophy for 5 years, what kind of plan do you have again; Silvestre, Viera; is that a plan?

  • bayo

    DOOMS DAY IS NEAR.cant wait to see gallas silvestre combination in the champions leagye remember silvestre vs tores and wenger is still keeping him.DOOMS DAY IS NEAR.csec van p bye bye see u in barca and madrid oe even city.arsene says arsenal squad is strong enough,stronger than man u,liver pool,chelsea,barca.inter,juve,madrid. BARCA won 3 trophies yet they are making signings but arsenal won none in 4 yrs yet no signing if we dont win at least the FA cup next season he should leave.

  • Fabrez

    On a random-ish note. Vagner Love is a player i like if we needed a striker. Villa want to buy 5 players…granted i know how much they cost is a factor, that should me we can surely buy 2 rite? Downing for 10 mill? Not even worth it. Buy a couple AW. I feel the challenge for the league and CL is gonna b even tougher than last term!

  • Leeroy.N

    YEMI – I’m not totally happy with the time it’s taking or these seeming prospects we just miss out on myself, but we have to have spirit. We have to look on the bright side because we have absolutely no control in what happens and who comes in or out. I have faith in the squad think with a few changes of attitude and additions to personel then we can do good this season. I still refuse to believe Wenger wont bring 1 or 2 more players in. Maybe if were able to keep the likes of Flamini last season, Adebayor and Toure this season, then it wouldnt seem so grim (apart from injuries). But it’s the way it is. Change might be good, because we havent won anything while they were the backbone of the team at the time (since F.A. 2005). I do know the time is running short for us and cant keep strolling into the Top 4 with teams like Villa, Everton and Citeh now snapping at our heels and moutning a serious challenge to break in there. It’s now or never I think for Wenger and he knows it, he has to produce something with the squad he has and I think he can. Come on Gunners!!

    Gooner Til I Die!

  • bayo

    if we dont buy this season would be over by december and pls remember this after our first 10matches we would start to play catch up even aston villa is not selling yet they are buying.

  • bayo

    we tend to hide in this in arsene we trust shit he has been wrong for 4 years.Look at milan,milan stopped buying and they are going down day by day,thesame thing is happening to arsenal if u like it or not accept it if man city does not outrun us this season they wld next season cus by then cesc and van p wld v run away,city wld get a new managerlike guus hindink imagine if city got hindink with all this players.

  • Fabrez

    Villa have sold 3 bayo. 1 more than us. They’ve bought 1 like we have. U can only really judge what Villa have done in comparison to us by Sept 1st…so be positive y don’t ya. And the Rosicky set-back sucks but hope 2 see him for the Emirates Cup…granted i have my doubts!

  • bayo

    searching for other blogs for arsenal do u v any good one

  • bayo

    ok just remembered they sold 3 thanks

  • bayo

    sky sport news is reporting that arsene is not making any comment concerning viera and he has definately revealed he wont replace ade and toure.so arsenal fans the only player that wld come in is viera(free)and wen things are about to be destroyed he wld buy another cup tied player that wld give us hope for next season

  • hello

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    Have faith boys…

    I know its a little annoying/frustrating watching the likes of Real and co spending freely whilst we sit and watch our squad wither, but as George Michael says… “YOU GOTTA HAVE FAITH-F-FAITH-F-FAITH!!”

    Here are a couple of reasons why…

    1. Gone are the days where we sign really BIG names (bergkamp, overmars, etc) or are they… Wenger now has about 46m to spend (5m left over from original transfer budget after signing Vermaelen + 25m for Ade + 16m for Toure). Add to this 9m for Eboue and maybe 6/7m for Senderos and we should have approx 60m to spend! yes 60m!!

    2. We mustn’t forget how Wenger loves his bargains and to really get those bargains you have to leave it late (yes i know how f**king annoying it is as a fan but i think we’ll be thankful in the end) Remember how many last day signings he has made… Arshavin, Diarra, Gallas, etc

    3. Arsene had offloaded Ade and Toure and looks set to get rid of Eboue too, but note they will all be missing for the African Cup of Nations for up to 6 weeks. This 6 weeks was exactly when our season fell apart 2 years ago when we were sailing at the top of the league. Toure got injured for Ivory coast and was never the same that season or has been the same since (don’t think i don’t love him though!!). So… no more African upsets mid season.

    “BABY!!”

  • Leeroy.N

    I know, there is always a doubt in the back of my mind. But it’s My team, the team I love and support through good times and bad. I show my faith and wait for Wenger and the team to repay it. Look at Chelsea they had 4 managers from 2007 til now an they always seemed to come second or pick up a trophy, even though have spent 100′s millions. A lot of it lies with the team, the attitude, want and desire to produce, score, defend and win. If our attitude changes, our results change it. I love our beautiful football, but nice guys come in second in this day and age. Get down and dirty, scrappy and sneaky and our luck changes. Win at anyway at any cost should be our new motto! LOL

    Gooner Til I Die!!

  • Leeroy.N

    See! I should be Wengers spokesman HAHA!! -

    “In England people think that all the problems can be sorted out by buying players.

    “I believe the biggest target is to work hard in training, improve what we can improve and have confidence in the players that we have.

    “If we need to add then we will. We have money available so for us it is now [important] to spend it in the right way when we do it or if we do it.” – Arsene Wenger

    Trust in Arsene, trust in Arsenal!!

    Gooner Til I Die!!!

  • hello

    Like it leeroy… HAVE FAITH-F-FAITH-F-FAITH!!

  • bayo

    have faith in diaby denilson silvestre gallas senderous.thats beautiful.Until he answers y he bought silvestre i wont believe him again.the point is that it is the majority of these bargains that kill the team

  • bayo

    arsenal in talks with inler for a 13 mill pounds transfer

  • hello

    Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Hargreaves, Quaresma, Ivanovic, Keane, Cheyrou… I could go on Bayo, not everyone gets it right all the time mate!!

  • hello

    Diaby and Denilson will be great this season… mark my words Bayo…

  • bayo

    to you hello diaby and denison wld be great this season greater than essien,lampard,ballack,mikel etc.greater than gerrard mascherano,liverpools new signing aquilani greater than carrick anderson fletcher.Wake up boy and if u make a mistake y dont u accept turn around and do the right thing.u got no reply for that except v faith in wenger as if arsenal was a religion expect a miracle

  • Leeroy.N

    I think twice or maybe more times last season, Silvestre saved us from gloom by getting a very important goal. Gallas on several oocasions has got a crucial goal for us when we needed them. I’m not saying there are the best buys in the world, but Gallas is Prem proven, a really good disciplined Centre Back, and Silvestre is a good defender and really good cover for both Centre Back and Left Back. Silvestre played for United for almost 10yrs and has almost 40 caps international (why am I defending him so hard HAHA!) he is a good defender. Maybe getting a little past it, but can still mix it when he needs to. Diaby, Denilson, Song, Djourou and Senderos are still babies if you really think about it and compare them to similar players in the Prem. No one their age gets the amount playing time, time together and have to cope with the level of expectation. They carry a lot of weight on their shoulders and do it pretty well to be honest with you. Regardless of their age and experience, they managed to be in the Top 4 for the last 5-6 seasons, no matter what new managers joined the league or how much money was spent around them. For what they have and what they do, I think they deserve a little more credit from some fans personally.

    Gooner til I Die!

  • berth

    hate diaby!!

  • Demzz

    I actually liked the patnership of song and denilson.. only thing we play one up top! so most of the time there will b no one in the box! but we need a player who can do a denilson and song!

    to berth i actually dislike diaby aswell because he plays with no heart but his body strength is immence and his foot work is quality just thinking about it he aint worth a 1st team place!

    we actually played well.. even big danish pastry played like he was cooked well passed the ball more and didnt play selfish! like he had more to prove.. but im likeing the setup but thinking about it if we do buy someone else! where would they go! were would they play it may mess up the system! and if viera comes remember it aint the same viera everyone its the olders more slower.. but more tecniqual! but who knows what will happen in the world of arsenal!

    i do miss him but hey i miss henry and overmars aswell.. even adams i miss!! but mostly i miss overmars because he was one of the fastest wingers i have seen since wallcott!!

    in arsene we trust..

    u cant spell arsenal with out arsen!!!