Toure, Gallas, Eboue, Rosicky and the title race…

I'd like to talk about the Eboue incident in more detail. The fans seem to be split on whether or not it was right to boo him. I'd have to agree with the majority of fans that booing a player doesn't help. But as I said yesterday, the frustration of the fans must be considered too. It wasn't just one fan, it was thousands, and it wasn't just for one thing, it was for a catalogue of mistakes. Eboue is disliked by a lot of fans because of his theatrics on the field as well and poor decision making. Take that as a basis and add a bad performance on top, it's clear to see why the fans booed. It is their only real way of making their feelings clear.

Arsene spoke about the booing and like me, I hope Eboue listens to the fans and starts to realise that he has to focus.

“I will sit down and talk to him. But I believe it could make him stronger and more determined to show how good he is. Manu is really loved inside the team and he is a good boy. But you can see that when he lost confidence it was very difficult for him. There were five or six minutes to go and he couldn’t keep the ball. It’s partly explained by the fact he was playing on the left of midfield but then he played very well there when we beat Blackburn 4-1. Still when you lose confidence, it’s not the best position for him.

“There were two aspects in the game. The crowd were behind the team when we suffered but, towards the end, they were so nervous as well. They expressed that and took Eboue as a target. You want your fans to be behind the team but we also have to focus on the quality of our performance and accept the verdict of the crowd. But I say again, apart from the very disappointing stuff with Eboue, they were behind the team for the most part.”

Interestingly Arsene comments on Eboue playing on the left wing. Considering Denilson has been playing on the left of midfield this season and Eboue is definitely better on the right, it’s strange that the Ivorian was deployed there in the first place. But of course, Arsene must have thought Denilson was a better option on the right, which raises many other questions about Eboue!

Kolo Toure is a good friend of Eboue and was quick to back his team-mate:

“Eboue had an injury for six weeks and this was his first game. We had some injuries and that is why the boss put him on and he played well. At the end he had a difficult time but we need to give him credit because he was not 100 per cent however he had to play because of our injuries and he did well.
 
“The fans gave him a hard time and that is unusual at Arsenal. I was surprised because normally our fans are [always] nice. I think the tension was really high and that is why they were hard. In the end we had three points and that is good. He will have a chat with the boss and I think he will come back. We need him and he is a strong boy. I’ll call him, he will also have a chat with the manager on Monday and then he will be fine.
 
“I just want to tell the fans that he is a great lad, he loves the Club and wants to do his best for the Club. Sometimes, when you come back from a six-week injury you cannot give 200 per cent. We hope that next time they will help him to come back. That is the only way to behave.”

And when you hear what Kolo has to say, you do kind of feel bad for Eboue now. But ultimately, Eboue has to change his ways and endear himself to the fans. Fans minds are easily changed, as a group of people supporting our club, we are naturally forgiving when players perform to their best, try for every ball and give 100% (and don’t dive!).

Talking about Toure – he’s also been in the press in regards to his partnership with Gallas. What is clear is that Djourou has played once again along side a shorter defender and we’ve kept another clean sheet and won another game, the stats don’t lie, Djourou should be in our defence. At the expense of Toure or Gallas?

“We played last season together and we finished third and had a really good season, three points behind the top two,” said Toure.

“He [Gallas] is a great player. I’ve been at the Club a long time now and for me I’m just focused on my game and doing my best. I’ve been injured and maybe that is why we haven’t played together but we are both really professional and have been in the business a long time now.

“When you look at Chelsea they have [Ricardo] Carvalho and John Terry but they are not better than William Gallas and me. I’m confident about my quality and William’s as well. We’ll play more and we are going to show that.”

Some good fighting talk from Kolo there – and that exactly what we want to hear.

The weekend results have seen us stay in fourth, of course, the win more vital considering Villa, United, Livepool and Chelsea all won too! But we’re on 29 points, which is 8 behind the leaders. For us, it’s actually a bit of a miracle that we’re only 8 points behind considering our 5 losses this season.

Arsene agrees.

“What is a miracle is that we are still in there with a chance with 29 points,” said Wenger. “We have had some indifferent games but the thing that has saved us is that we have beaten our main rivals. That has prevented some damage. We are still in there – we play Liverpool at home soon which is a chance as well. We know we can’t lose any of the games against the big teams now.”

If we win against Middlesborough and then Liverpool, that will see us close the gap. It’s touch and go this season. But I still feel if we are going to have any chance of winning it, we’ll need to get another winger. As the comments have highlighted, we’ve now lost Nasri, Walcott and of course Rosicky (who is now out until March) and that means the only winger we have in the squad is Eboue (and maybe Vela if Arsene wants to play him there). Of course, Jack Wilshere is too young, Ramsey may be someone who may play, although I prefer him centrally. But if we do sign a winger, that would really help us push forward.

Okay, this blog is getting too long. Best commentor results tomorrow….

‘Til then…]]>

  • JDD

    i definately agree that the balance of a tall defender and short defender works well i personally feel that the toure-djourou partnership is the best. but i also have to agree with toure they did play well last season until the last 2-3 months.

  • Fabrez!

    Hmm…well if u r talking wingers, I’m thinkin Simao, Ribery, Jesus Navas, Wright-Philips, Schweignsteiger, David Silva? Just throwing so names into the ring! Who would you suggest devday & other commenters?? Eboue is hardly enough and at least Nasri isn’t too long i think. Vela can play there…we r definitely limited in that area!

  • Fabrez!

    And with the defence, i’m thinking either Gallas and Djourou or Toure and Djourou. Need that presence up high to win those headers.

  • McClone

    I don’t think players like Simao, Ribery, Jesus Navas, SWP or any of those are in our budget. I would love any of them!

  • Tom L

    It is true we are lacking wingers and defensive midfielders at the moment. But it is easy to list ideal transfer prospects without checking if they’re happy at their clubs or not; For a defensive midfielder, I see Yaya Toure as the perfect anwser, but he has recently reiterated his loyalty to Barca and seems very happy there. However, I’ve also heard that Liverpool’s Babel is not happy at Anfield this season and that his boyhood club was Arsenal – and do I remember hearing him say, even though he was on his way to Liverpool, “…one day I will be an Arsenal player…” ?

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[let me first just say i'd be surprised if wenger actually signed a ready-made player at all, let alone one from that group. specially in jan.

    phillips and silva are prolly not even available. phillips has just moved to city, and silva was the subject of transfer speculation in the summers, and he stayed at valencia, i'm assuming, bcuz he signed a new contract.

    not sure what the contract situation with simao, ribery, and navas is. i have heard and seen them play in the past but i havnt followed either one enough recently to comment on whether i'd like to see them here.

    schweignsteiger, i read, is out of contract in the summer. and i remember his performances at the euros. he was very impressive. he's got 5+ years of football in him, being 25-ish. i'm not sure if he can play anywhere other than right wing. and i have a feeling wenger likes players who are versatile and can play more than one position.

    if i was to choose a player for only the right wing, and if i could have him without worrying about contract situation, it'd have to be wright phillips. no questions about whether he'd be able to adapt, which seems to be a major question when buying players from other leagues.

    if its going to be a player that can play on both wings. then i think only ribery and simao can do that. maybe silva too, or maybe not. i havnt seen navas, philips or schweinsteiger play left wing.

    but i wudnt be surprised if we buy nobody. i wudnt be surprised if toure starts playing right mid in place of denilson/eboue. with denilson at leftmid. this is whether eboue gets injured or not. this way wenger wudnt have to choose b/w toure gallas and djourou at CB. they'll all get playing time. and if bcuz of what hapnd with eboue, is to stay the same or worsen, maybe wenger'll be reluctant to play him or maybe eboue will leave. of course theres still a possibility that he stays and plays at RM.
    but rather than having eboue at left or rightmid and denilson at rightmid, i'd rather have denilson at leftmid and toure at rightmid. it cudnt be any worse than having eboue at rightmid, so why not. this way none out of djourou gallas and toure would feel left out. they wudnt need to complain about not getting enough playtime. probably a better solution imo.]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[and the one wenger'll probably be thinking about before anything else, considering we never have any money.

    how much did wright phillips cost mancity in the summer ?
    i'm trying to figure out why we didnt get him when chelsea were letting go. not bcuz we like to get leftovers from chelsea (gallas) and manutd (silvestre). but bcuz phillips has been on fire this season - clearly been the best rightmid in the league. better than ronaldo.]]>

  • McClone

    9 million pounds mate, that’s it.

  • Debs

    < ![CDATA[We definitely know Wenger isn't up for it. As Zohaib rightly said, don't expect Wenger to go for a big name- not happening! We do need one more body in the squad, and everyone seems to agree we need a winger. It's so hard to guess who Wenger will buy cos he never buys anyone you'd think he would buy anyways! Considering we're halfway through the season (sort-of), I'd prefer if he bought someone already playing in the PL, cos then there'll be no need for them to 'adjust' to the English game.
    SWP definitely has been playing really well this season, and so has Lennon, but he's Sp*rs scum anyway! lol. If only Rosicky's injury wasn't taking longer than expected...]]>

  • McClone

    Ashley Young?

  • Debs

    Yeah, he’s been fabulous. and he was exceptional against Everton. But I don’t think O’Neil will be willing to part with him, cos he’s an important part of their team, and considering they’ll probably lose Barry over the summer (what r the odds of villa finishing in the top 4, eh?), I don’t think Martin would want to lose arguably 2 of his most important players. But yeah, Ashley Young could actually fit in well here… Can imagine Walcott and Young on both wings… that’d be an exciting combo. But then though, he’s sort of in the same category as Walcott as to experience, although he’s 23 and he’s played a few more games than Walcott in the PL, and I think Wenger would go for experience… But yeah, you never know with Mr Wenger!

  • Debs

    oh he’s just signed a 4yr contract with Villa until 2012 in Nov!

  • McClone

    < ![CDATA[Surely Ashley Young would cost in the region of £20m considering he went to Villa for £12m.

    Hmmm, who else?

    Mort Gamst Pedersen?]]>

  • Debs

    pedersen’s alright, but I dunno, don’t think he’s got enough quality for us… I do like his names though! lol

  • Fabrez!

    < ![CDATA[Problem with any chance of getting SWP is matching the kind of wages man city were gonna b offering him.

    And about Ashley Young...he's basically going to be too expensive for Arsenal now...he's hot proprty...so he's out.

    As Debs said, he won't buy any1 we expect to b honest....we may end up getting some random winger hardly known from the french league lol But i would love 2 c sum1 from the prem to make the transition easy.

    But knowing Wenger, zohaib mite b right...he mite just buy nobody. Wenger like seeminly likes having a compact squad while the board comes out and says Arsene has money to spend.]]>

  • Debs

    I guess we should expect the worst case scenario- he buys no one! And if he ends up buying someone, then that’ll be a welcome bonus!

  • Fabrez!

    That is the best way to think Debs…seriously!

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[arrrrggghhh ! absolutely gutted. 9 mil pounds only. whyyyy didnt we get him. he's wrightys son. its only fitting that he's at arsenal. so dissappointed.

    its strange how a few weeks ago the general consensus was that we needed a CB and a DM. now we also need a winger.

    djourou's performances, alongwith gallas and toure getting back to form, have probably eliminated our need for a CB. (we'v also got a 4th CB - silvestre). so we'v probably got enough in number.

    song's performances are getting better at DM, but that doesnt mean that he's not able to make any more disastrous mistakes. he is still a bit too slow for a DM. whether he can speed up, we dont know. but leaving that to chance is taking an unnecessary risk. he's just a kid learning his trade, and handed the responsibility of helping the team win the title - too much to ask of a 20yr old learner.
    i say we def need an experienced ready-made DM. if theres one position where you absolutely need a ready-made player, thats it. its huge responsibility to have to shield a back 4, as well as win the ball in his own half and distribute it forward so that the creative players can make a move. too much to ask of a kid who's still learning.]]>

  • Debs

    if we’re talking ready-made defensive midfielder, the obvious option seems to be Xavi Alonso. The ever so reliable media seem to suggest Wenger’s after him, but I think I do remember it being argued sometime on this blog that you can’t have both Cesc and Xabi in our team, or something to that effect, but that might just work though… If we’ve got Xabi, Fab might just have more freedom to play his game and not have to do everything, considering he’s got captaining duties now, whatever that might be… But I’m not really too keen on speculating, cos well, it’s Wenger.

  • Debs

    sorry, *Xabi*, not Xavi

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[no way are we going for pederson !!

    some of us seem to have forgotten the incident in an arsenal v blackburn game last season or the one before that, where pederson stepped on cesc's head purposely while cesc was lying injured on the ground. it was a game full of incidents.

    no way is he coming here. he's an nasty, arrogant, pompous, douchebag.]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[i'm all for getting Alonso, but only if we dont find a proper DM. bcuz he's not really a DM. he's more of a deep lying playmaker. he's got the range and vision second to none. but he doesnt have the ability of a defender to win the ball back urgently. he probably will have better positional sense, so thats a good positive.

    appiah is still on a free btw]]>

  • Fabrez!

    < ![CDATA[But isn't Alonso a creative player as opposed to a defensive midfielder? I think he's more like Cesc and Denilson. And it has been said he's a bit too slow i think.

    I'd like to see Senna actually...he would have some kind of understanding with Cesc seeing they r both in the Sapnish team. Senna was immense in the Euros. What do y'all think? Don't think we'll get him if we wanted him tho...]]>

  • Debs

    Hmm… he’s free, struggled with injury in the past… sounds Wenger-esque! lol But wouldn’t have Wenger gotten him already if he was looking in that direction?

  • Debs

    appiah, that is

  • Debs

    yeah Fabrez, there was some talk of Senna in summer, but nothing happened… Don’t know whether it was that the boss wasn’t interested or that Senna was unavaible or didnt want a move…

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[appiah - yeh debs. but there was more than one club interested in him. so if arsenal didnt want him, he could've moved to another club. which is why i think what i read might well be true, about fifa and fenerbahce still involved in a dispute over his injury etc. last i read he was going to be a target for teams by the time the transfer window opens.

    senna - as debs says, there was talk in the summer. and he's probably signed a new contract at villareal, which shud mean he's not available. he would be great, but considering he's around 30, that would mean only 1 or 2 years of service. i could argue that its perfect bcuz in a couple more years denilson and song would have become better. but that wudnt sound very intelligent to wenger would it ...]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[we keep hearing about yaya toure. but he's recently stated his happiness being at barca. sounded like he thought of arsenal as a team in transition and presently not capable of challenging for th title, so it def seems like he's not interested. and i dont blame him.

    i'm just worried - now even if we have the money, it might not be any good. bcuz no big-name player would want to come to arsenal.
    with the exception of last year we've been a team that was 15 points off the pace before last season, and this season we're back to that sort of form. why would any big name player want to come to a club thats in danger of not finishing in the top4.]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[oh i just realized.

    we seem to have forgotten about diaby.

    he gets back sometime this week. all of a sudden we might not anymore wingers in jan. diaby, denilson, eboue. with nasri back soon. vela, wilshere and ramsey as backup.

    with eduardo coming back. maybe one of eduardo or vanpersie plays on the wing.

    i'm pretty certain this'll be wenger's logic. and now it seems like we have enough players out wide. obviously some aren't actually wingers, but thats what wenger does.]]>

  • Fabrez!

    I kno Diaby can be an attacking player, but when fit, do y’all figure he’s a good enuff CDM? That was supposed to be his role at the start of the season but we’ve mixed things up so much in midfield…and he’s been injured so much, i’m not sure he’s actually played there in particular all season! Maybe better than Song in that role?

  • Fabrez!

    < ![CDATA[Zohaib...we actually mentioned diaby in posts at identical times...weird! lol

    But yeah...Eduardo and VP have been deployed on the wings b4 so Wenger mite just do it again...]]>

  • Debs

    funny enough, I was actually thinking about it recently that players may not be too attracted to the club, giving our recent turmoil, but i think any player that dismisses us ain’t good enough for us then! Cos the fact still is that we’re one of the biggest clubs in Europe, and even if the PL eludes us, we’re still in with a shout for the champions league, and we’re most likely still going to finish in the top 4, so could end up in the champions league again next season. We’ve got one of the best managers in the world, and there’s no way our recent form’s bad form is going to last. obviously we might arguably not be as desirable as a club like man u or chelsea, but I think we’re still an attractive club for any player who cares about winning trophies, cos with the odd additional player to the squad, we should be win some silverware either this season or the next, no doubt about that, imo.

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[great question fabrez !

    is diaby good enough or better than song at DM if he plays there.

    presently, bcuz he hasnt played there in a very very long time, i dont think he'll be too much better. so again its a question of waiting and giving him games to get better. and thats not going to improve our chances of winning the title. a ready-made DM would.

    but when he's fit and adjusted, then is he better than song and good enough ? we can't know that until we see him play there for a few games in a row.]]>

  • Fabrez!

    Said like a true Arsenal fan Debs! lol But i agree tho.

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[i like your positive attitude debs. its refreshing. almost energizing at times when the frustration makes me think negatively.

    hopefully now that ivan gazidis has come to the club, it'll mean some more money coming in through sponsors and the business side of the club taken care off well. theres is a credit crunch happening as well, however.]]>

  • Fabrez!

    < ![CDATA[Yeah...i get u zohaib...diaby getting a run of games there to get used to playing there is risky as our margin for error is soooooooooo small! I think one of the things he has over Song is his speed which is needed there. And he's a bit more developed as a player as well. But as u said, the ready made guy is ideal.

    If only Wenger would take time, come on to worldofarsenal.co.uk and read these comments!! lol

    And extra money is always welcomed of course. With this credit crunch, i do think Wenger's conservative spending is a positive from that perspective.]]>

  • Debs

    lol Fabrez! Hi Wenger if you ever read any of these! lol. Credit crunch issues may make the boss go for Appiah, as long as he’s not after a massive weekly pay. I’m sure he’d use the credit crunch as a reason for not buying anyone. As for Diaby… he does need more games, but as you guys pointed out, ready-made’s the way forward considering where we’re at at the moment….

  • Pissed off

    < ![CDATA[Zohaib and Deb are you al saying that Wenger is taht predictable? I will ve to agree witha ll u ve said.

    Except that Diaby is not good enough for me . Before the end of the transfer in August Wenger wanted Kalou I heard ( very unintelligent)]]>

  • debs

    Wenger predictable? hell no! He’s only predictability is that he’s unpredictable! lol

  • debs

    but I think Diaby does have his moments though… He’s shown a few good qualities here and there this season, but I think he can be used as cover in mid when we’ve got injuries…

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[Wenger has said time and time again that he won't spend over the odds for a player. There are brilliant players out there with vastly overinflated prices. Its no secret he tried to buy Gareth Barry and just like Liverpool refused to pay £18 for a 30 year old (yes he is that old).

    I wish people would stop making out the club are broke - according to company house records we have the least debt of the top four and have to most robust finances in the league. Its not about money coming in.

    Just like you wouldn't pay £20 for a loaf of bread, Wenger refuses to pay over the odds for a footballer.

    That is why, time and time again he goes with youth - young unproven talent is miles cheaper and lasts far longer than old overpriced players.

    The other player he likes is the fading star - Henry etc.

    He just won't go and buy anybody in January.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[£18m probably. £18 would have been a right bargain.

    Oh and I rushed that last bit - I mean he takes fading stars and turns them into legends. Adams (OK he was already at the club) was rejuvinated, Henry went from also-ran Winger to leading scorer of all time etc.

    If Wenger buys anybody in January, or the summer of 2009 for that matter, they will be unproven or not in good form. He very really deviates from this.

    Hoping for a big name is tantamount to dissapointment unless they come on a free (Gallas as part of an exchange, Sol from Shite Hart Lane).

    I can't think of many players approaching free contracts apart from Tevez and I can't see him leaving United for Arsenal to be honest as we don't need him.

    Although...... Tevez for Bendtner.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[Fuck my grammar gun, it's all over the place.

    He very rarely deviates from this.]]>

  • devday

    Well, at the moment Tevez can’t get into the United team! Maybe, just maybe…

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[I know - thats what makes it intriguing. Tevez/Adebayor/RVP upfront would be awesome.

    BBC news:

    “Jay Simpson, Gavin Hoyte and Kieran Gibbs might go on loan,” Wenger told the club website.

    “They need to play in the Championship for three or four months. Not Jack Wilshire though, he is only 16.”

    Wilshire is widely regarded as the most promising of Arsenal current crop of emerging talents.

    But Simpson, 19, impressed while on loan at Millwall last season, winning the League One player of the year award, and Gibbs, 19, spent three months with Championship side Norwich.

    Hoyte, the younger brother of Middlesbrough’s former Arsenal full-back Gavin, is yet to have a spell away from Arsenal but the 18-year-old defender played 90 minutes in all three of the club’s Carling Cup games.

    The Mexican striker Carlos Vela, 19, has had spells with Osasuna and Salamanca, while the midfielder Fran Merida, 18, spent four months at Real Sociedad last season.

    Midfielders Nacer Barazite, 18, and Armand Traore, 19, are currently on loan at Derby and Portsmouth respectively. Anybody been watching Traore for Pompey? He really has impressed me. I was actually under the impression he’d moved proper, didn’t realise it was a loan.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[Oh and Tevez in is actually far more likely than most of the names mentioned, because in January he can sign for any club he likes for free unless United tie him down before then. That's unlikely given his lack of first team football.

    He will probably sign for Chelsea though, given they only have one striker in Anelka who is limited in playing off the last defender. Drogba wants away....

    He wouldn't go to Liverpool though would he.

    All you can hope is none of the United first choices get injured and he doesn't get a run in the team.

    The passion he showed for West Ham was brilliant and would be as much of an asset as his undoubtable skill.

    The other thing about January that most of you fail to mention is that only shit players get sold in the mid season break. Nobody sells their best players mid season so the chances of Wenger being able to buy a recognised name even if he did decide to completely abandon his approach from the last 12 years are slim to none.

    We can all hope, but I wouldn't expect any late xmas presents.]]>

  • Debs

    yeah, I always watch Traore, and he’s been great on the wingd for pompey. but I think Pompey might want to stay at pompey cos he’s gets regular first team opportunities. But true that, if he comes back, we’ve got another wingman with games under his belt! The more I think about it, the more it seems like wenger may be justified in not spending…

  • Debs

    but then though, it’s horses for courses, Kieran. One player may be crap for another team and could be just perfect for us!

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[

    but then though, it’s horses for courses, Kieran. One player may be crap for another team and could be just perfect for us!
    Sure it is which is my point – Wenger buys players like that. Viera was a virtual nobody before Arsenal and Pires was not having the best of times.

    The thing is, a player who is crap for another team is not the kind of player that people are asking for on here.

    Alonso, Young, SWP – all referenced in this thread and none of them are going through tough times. This time last year, maybe SWP, but not now.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[Don't know if this will work, but I've just seen this and its amazing.

    ]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[Ah, bad times - paste this in the address bar. Paul Ince, tactical genius.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/15not2f.gif]]>

  • devday

    < ![CDATA[That's very true - Traore, although raw and inexperienced has looked like a decent option (compared to playing Eboue or Denilson at left wing) to bring back into our team.

    I think he is on a season long loan, but it will be interesting to see if we do bring him back!]]>

  • Debs

    I think next season might just be ours, not saying this season is over yet, though! The squad seems to be taking shape one way or the other, and I’m actually getting really excited about the squad the more time goes by!

  • Gooner Get Ya

    What about the 20 year old Argentine Maximiliano Ever Banega plays in DM and CM plays for Athletico Madrid on loan from Valencia. He is young and should be pretty cheap which are both positives in Wenger’s eyes.

  • devday

    Banega is pretty awesome – but didn’t Valencia play 18 million euros for him?

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[yossi benayoun's unhappy with lack of first team action at liverpool.

    he's creative. got a great attitude. he can pass and shoot with both feet. he's intelligent enough to make his space and has good vision. he doesnt need to be pacey like walcott to pass people. his intelligence helps him do that well enough. can play on either wing.
    pretty decent i'd say. duno what he would cost though. less than 12 mil pounds would be get-able in my opinion. is wenger impressed by him, though ?

    i read that elano and michael johnson aren't happy with their lack of first team action at mancity either.
    if it was anybody who wasn't almost as brainwashed about youth as wenger is, maybe we'd have thought about swapping denilson and elano.
    and we need a DM, so johnson could be a good addition to a squad which has 0 DMs except for Song.
    duno what his price is or wat his contract situation is. but shud prolly be worth around 5 - 8 mil pounds, presently, since he hasnt played in a while.

    i like the thought of tevez for bendtner.]]>

  • zohaib

    but tevez for bendtner is almost a no-brainer. bendtner is partly here to provide backup for ade when we need height up front. getting tevez in place, is almost funny and ironic.

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    Not really, neither Berkgamp, Wright or Lljunberg or even Henry were tall that that was the crux of our attack for 7 years. Only Kanu has been particularly tall in recent memory. Whats the point in Bendtner being tall when he’s shit?!

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[he's not shit. he's got vision. he brings his team into play. and he can actually make a run in the 6 yd box to poke it in unlike adebayor, who can just as well, but only if hes awake, which he isnt most of the time.

    height means you get another option - headers. bendtner wins more balls in the air in the final third, he gets more flick ons from alumnia's goal kicks than ade. dont tell me he gets any less headers than ade when they actually come, because the problem isnt with bendtner. its that we like to play pretty football, football on the ground, so we dont pay much attention to the accuracy of crosses, bcuz we consider it plan B. its shameful how many crosses are accurate. we'r prolly the only team in the top 4 or top 8 that gets 1 cross accurately in 10. if ur gona have such poor crossing, u have to be a moron to blame the strikers for not heading a ball nowhere near them.

    u'v got bergkamp and henry and then u'v got ljungberg and wright in the same group. so ur saying they were all about the same height. and ur saying bergkamp and henry wern't tall enough to head a ball - laughable and incorrect.

    they were both tall enough. they just wernt good enough to head it.

    being the crux of our attack for 7 yrs doesnt mean its okay to not know how to head the ball. in modern football theres no point being an incomplete footballer or incomplete football team (which we are - we dont know how to defend, sometimes it seems that the only thing we concentrate on is how to score goals without paying attention to improving our defensive ability. and we dont know how to utilize balls in the air - sometimes lofted passes can be just as pretty. u just gota know how to play them. they dont have to be 60 yd passes. and i have seen teams play them brilliantly). specially with the way everybody plays against us, by parking the bus. a team like us needs to know how to play football in every way. short passes, quick passes, long passes, through balls, short lobbed through balls, long lobbed passes, 1 - 2s. they shud know how to get past their player without having to form triangles everytime - it involves too many players in one area of the pitch to form an efficient threatening, penetrative move.
    we like to use the excuse that they parked the bus, everytime we dont do well. but thats only part of the problem. the other part is that we have kids who are almost brainwashed into playing kindergarten football, that they'v forgotten that theyr not just a team, and that they can express themselves individually. all they want to do is pass. very rarely do they attempt to take shots from range or try to outfox their man to pass them or run through a defence. you dont need pace all the time. if ur intelligent enough, it works well enough (hleb). for eg., rosicky and ramsey are players who give us what we lack most of the time - urgency to penetrate. we like to be patient. but sometimes we become too patient. but they'll be more likely to want to break through the midfield than anyone else i can think of.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[You've rather comically got over-excited and completely misunderstood what I was saying. Calm down and re-read.

    You ruled Tevez out for his height. I merely pointed out that our most succseful goal scorers in the last seven years were about the same height as Tevez, maybe slightly taller in Henry granted but he wasn't a giant was he.

    I'm sorry as well to point out that Bendtner is shit. Its not subjective, or even my opinion – its a stone cold fact.

    Birmingham 06/07 – 48 Apps 13 Goals 9 Assists.
    Arsenal 07/08 – 40 Apps 9 Goals 7 Assists.

    I won’t count this year. I’m not sure that that paltry return counts as vision or skill. You or I could have scored more given the chances he’s wasted. I assume you didn’t watch the Champs League 1/4 Final, or the Burnley match the other week?

    I take great offence at being called a moron by someone who hasn’t even read what I’ve said properly – I never once blamed the strikers for not heading the ball or said that heading goals is not allowed. I just said we’ve done all right with players who aren’t as tall as Bendtner…. so you’ve sort of proved yourself wrong.

    Now given that Tevez has scored more goals this season with his head that Bendtner has with his entire body do you really think Bendtner being tall is such a marvellous attribute?!

    I never said Bergkamp and Henry weren’t tall enough to head the ball. I said they weren’t as tall as Bendtner, but four times as good….. so you’ve really confused me by quoting something I din’t say or even infer! I’m not sure where you dreamt that up. Oh and I’ve just re-read the bit about Bergkamp and Henry not being good enough to head the ball. That’s laughable (assuming you watch Spanish football and saw Henry’s amazing header in the last few weeks…).]]>

  • Gooner Get Ya

    I dont think Bendtner has got a good football brain. His decisions with the ball leave me stunned in amazment sometimes. However he is good in the air and can hold the ball up pretty well which no one else really does for us, so he has some use in the team i suppose :-)

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[judging by the speed of ur reply - i'd say its you whos' got comically over-excited.

    i'v missed the point ? well excuse me if you dont know how to write what you mean to say.

    i could say the same about you - you missed my point.

    and its even more evident to me now that your only aim is to aimlessly and pointlessly attack me for whatever i say, bcuz you won't have it that someone else could know and express a thing or two about arsenal on this forum. somehow ur under the impression that ur some sort of judge here, who has the final word on everything thats said. wake up kid.

    the point was that bendtner is NOT shit. he LOOKS like he's shit. he does hav some good qualities which you seem to have conveniently overlooked. and they are different from a tevez or ljungberg or henry. can u compare kanu or adebayor to henry or tevez or ljungberg ?

    no you just cant. its foolish. theyr different sort of strikers. kanu and adebayor are alike - they have exceptional height. and bendtner's similar to them in that respect as well. kanu had exceptional talent on the ball. his control and intelligence was awesome. he had a calm/lazy elegance about him - but u've again conveniently forgotten that ur comparing him when he was at his prime, not 20ish like bendtner. ade in some ways dissappoints me. he still needs to work on his game. he's not as good as kanu when he's got the ball at his feet. he's not good enough as a striker needs to be when he's got that kind of height. but again he's 24. i'd like to see how much better kanu
    was at that age.

    so if you wana compare bendtner to someone its kanu or adebayor in terms of height and it can't be tevez, ljungberg or henry but the closest he comes to is bergkamp. and u gota be comparing them at the same age, genius.

    i find some similarities b/w bergkamp and bendtner. they both have similar height. bergkamp wasnt known for his heading (like henry) and they were both exceptional when the ball was at their feet - but again, when they were at their prime, not 20 yrs old. bendtner has deceptive skill. sometimes he shows great vision. sometimes his passes are exceptional. he's def got a better range of vision than ade. and he def wins more balls in the air from goalkicks than ade. he's just as good when the ball eventually comes in the box. some of these qualities are those that bergkamp had. he was the finished product. he had perfected some of these qualities, with exception to heading. bendtner's 20ish. he's a big guy. so you can forgive him for not being quick like tevez ljungberg or henry when the ball's at his feet. but he's still deceptively quick. and his control is getting better. enough qualities to make him an arsenal player at 20 yrs old. he'll never become a ljungberg or a tevez simply bcuz his height doesnt allow him to be quick enough. but what do i know, maybe he'll get a bit quicker as he gets older. but u certainly cant compare him to henry - that guy was just something else. what he can become is a bergkamp.

    wat u also have conveniently forgotten is that we're a different team than the ljungberg, henry, bergkamp, kanu team. now we have two guys in ade and bendtner who're mainly there to provide some height and strength up front. anything else is a bonus. the players with skill up front are vanpersie, vela, eduardo, walcott. and its easy to understand why we need ade and bendtner. they give us something else, and it becomes a good balance.

    coming to ur 'brilliantly conclusive' facts. wat a load of rubbish. they dont tell us how many of those performances were 10 min cameos. they dont tell us whether he was the lone guy up front. they dont tell us whether everybody else was playing well enough to make chances for him or to get on the end of his chances. they dont tell us whether we were a man down and had to play defensively. and they certainly dont tell us what any other striker was like when he was at the same age. idiotic logic. and inconclusive stats might i add.

    'not my opinion' - now ur having to lie to support ur faulty logic. wat an act of desperation.
    to save face ?

    'the chances he's wasted' - well maybe you havnt realized that we'v got another player in our team who gives competition to bendtner for 'wasting chances' - a guy called adebayor maybe, u might have heard. i hear he doesnt know the offside rule.

    i realize i might have to 'spell out' what i mean. i didnt actually call you a moron. i meant, if you were going to blame bendtner or ade for not heading a ball nowhere near them then you could be a moron.

    'i've just said we've done alright with players who aren't as tall as bendtner' - again, its incorrect to compare our present team with our past team. they are 2 diff teams. and thats wat ur not understanding. now we have deployed 2 players mainly for heading abilites. the irony is that we havnt worked on our crossing and we dont use their main strengths as much as we shud bcuz of our extremist approach to pretty football. when theres not enough crossing happening, of course the 2 tall strikers will look like shit - their not getting the chances they need to score goals.

    'tevez has scored more goals this season than bendtner has' - maybe you conveniently have forgotten to realize that at manutd they have an emphasis on being a complete footballer. they dont ignore the need to defend or to play the ball in the air. at arsenal we do. which is why theres RARE, INACCURATE crossing, which can only mean, less headed goals than a tall striker should get.

    '(bergkamp and henry) wern't as tall as bendtner ... you've quoted something i haven't said' - bergkamp, henry and bendtner are maybe 3 inches within each other's height range. thats a minute diff. diff b/w ljungberg, tevez, and bendtner, ade. thats enough diff to make a diff.
    and i never quoted something you didnt say or infer. get ur facts right.

    '...henry's amazing header in the last few weeks ...' - thats just more evidence that ur becoming desperate to create an argument against me. thats laughable ! u've decided that on the basis of one header, it makes henry good enough to head the ball. completely missing the point i was making.

    you ignorant fool. no offence.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[Oh dear!

    u’ve decided that on the basis of one header, it makes henry good enough to head the ball

    I’m not trying to create an argument at all. I just don’t like strikers who block the ball on the line in the most important club competition in the world – deliberate or not!

    As for Bendtner being able to head to ball – I present to you the Arsenal-United match where Bendtner had two beautiful crosses put on his head – both of which he failed to convert.

    Or did I make that up to?]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[The irony of this shitstorm is it started over a player who will never sign for Arsenal anyway.

    My original post was calling bullshit on your assertion that Bendtner was a better player for Arsenal than Tevez just because he’s tall.

    You said

    bendtner is partly here to provide backup for ade when we need height up front. getting tevez in place, is almost funny and ironic..]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[hahah. i'm sure it wasnt intentional - the block by bendtner.

    about the arsenal - utd game. if i remember correctly, one of them he headed over. maybe he shudv done better with his jump, he was just a yard off the ideal position/height.

    but weren't rooney and ronaldo missing the many more chances they were getting. does that make them shit does it.

    its still too early to say if bendtner won't come out good. yes, i think sometimes his attitude seems to be off, but i do believe he's getting better. and i also think that at the moment, he's not much worse than adebayor - whether its bcuz ade is not in form or whatever.

    i would gladly take tevez for bendtner as i said. but realizing that now we have a team in which wenger wants as many options as he can have, maybe bendtner being backup for ade and the only other guy who's strong up front is the reason we can't exchange him for a shorter guy. though as you correctly point out, tevez is very very good in the air as well. but maybe bendtner has more strength than him. but then tevez has that urgency that we so badly need, and a good attitude.

    i'm beginning to warm-up to th idea of having tevez all of a sudden ... his wages might be a problem though.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[Ah - and now where getting close to my feelings for the Dane.

    True enough, both Rooney and Ronaldo were very in that game - and they've not had a great start to the season. But the difference between them and Bendtner is they have already proven themselves with marvellous displays and good runs - player of the year awards etc.

    On the other side Bendtner has never really had a good run of form - those stats I quoted earlier included a full season as first choice striker at Birmingham, and he didn't really set the world on fire then despite being surrounded by inferior players.

    That's my issue - I have no real confidence that he ever will improve or get a decent run of form. We all know Rooney and Ronaldo can turn it on when they want, and obviously they will hit form its almost a sure bet.

    Bendtner just doesn't inspire that kind of confidence.

    One last thing - I believe that skill is ageless. Sure defenders can learn to read the game and positioning, midfielders can learn to temper there tackles and consider ball distribution - hell even goalkeepers improve with experience. But Bendtner just doesn't seem to have the instinct for goal. He just doesn't seem to have that deft touch that Vela has shown.

    Of the two Vela has shown much more on the pitch, and he is younger than Bendtner. Of all the forwards at the club, Bendtner seems out of his depth.

    Like I think we've both recognised Tevez is unlikely to come to Arsenal. He might, if he wants to stay at an English Champs League club, I can see it being preferable to CSK Fulham or L'pool, but he may end up trying somewhere else.

    I've only just realised he's younger than me! He looks like he's 40! He's 24!!]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    Oh – the same age as Bendtner then!!

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[i agree with some of what you say - no surprises though, ur finally talking about football as opposed to drawing conclusions and passing judgement on me and my opinions.

    WHAT bendtner is 24 ?! have you completely lost it ? or is this another act of desperation ? my God. you are unbelievable. i was just starting to think you might be talking sense for once, boy was i wrong ! you dont have any sense at all do you.
    no way is bendtner 24 you ignorant dimwit. i'm starting to think those facts that you've been giving are all made up to support your idiotic need to have the final say.

    http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players/nicklas-bendtner

    i'll wait while you calculate how many years old that makes him, if he's born in 88.

    have you made yourself look like a complete idiot or what. lol. thankyou thankyou.]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[i agree with some of what you say - no surprises though, ur finally talking about football as opposed to drawing conclusions and passing judgement on me and my opinions.

    WHAT bendtner is 24 ?! have you completely lost it ? or is this another act of desperation ? my God. you are unbelievable. i was just starting to think you might be talking sense for once, boy was i wrong ! you dont have any sense at all do you.
    no way is bendtner 24 you ignorant dimwit. i’m starting to think those facts that you’ve been giving are all made up to support your idiotic need to have the final say.

    (http://www.)arsenal.com/first-team/players/nicklas-bendtner

    i’ll wait while you calculate how many years old that makes him, if he’s born in 88.

    boy, have you made yourself look like a complete idiot or what. lol. thankyou thankyou.]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[whys my second comment awaiting moderation ? its not a direct link !

    has kieran managed to convince devday to moderate my comments ?

    that'll be interesting ...]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[i agree with some of what you say - no surprises though, ur finally talking about football as opposed to drawing conclusions and passing judgement on me and my opinions.

    WHAT bendtner is 24 ?! have you completely lost it ? or is this another act of desperation ? my God. you are unbelievable. i was just starting to think you might be talking sense for once, boy was i wrong ! you dont have any sense at all do you.
    no way is bendtner 24 you ignorant dimwit. i’m starting to think those facts that you’ve been giving are all made up to support your idiotic need to have the final say.

    ( I'd give the link but i'v tried it twice and it makes my comment have to be moderated. )

    i’ll wait while you calculate how many years old that makes him, if he’s born in 88.

    boy, have you made yourself look like a complete idiot or what. lol. thankyou thankyou.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[I assumed

    he’s not as good as kanu when he’s got the ball at his feet. he’s not good enough as a striker needs to be when he’s got that kind of height. but again he’s 24. was about Bendtner. I can’t help that I can’t follow what you’ve written. I did think that was wrong, but like I said i found it difficult to follow what you had written.

    So far I’ve not called you any names at all – I’ve just disagreed with you. You’ve called me an idiot, a moron and an ignorant fool.

    I can’t help that I don’t agree with you Zohaib – I don’t judge you for thinking differently to me, I just don’t agree with you – one of us tries to explain our views and the other resorts to name calling.

    I entered into this (ahem) debate in an attempt to explain my view. All I’ve done is provide statistics from the FA and Wikipedia to support my opinions and help explain why I have drawn the conclusions I have. Thats what debate is about.

    All you’ve done is accuse me of making them up (check them yourself), called me names and generally acted paranoid – wordpress moderates all comments that contain links and smilies. Dev said so himself a few days ago, no one is trying to censor you.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[Although if you were censored it would stop you name calling like a three year old, I've just noticed I'm a dimwit.

    Quick summary for you:
    1) I believe Bendtner is shit.
    2) I believe Tevez is a better player.
    3) I do not believe there would be a negative impact on Arsenal FC if Tevez replaced Bendtner.
    4) I believe that Vela is a better player than Bendtner.
    5) I'm pretty sure Vela is younger than Bendtner.
    6) I use the above two facts to draw a conclusion - Bendtner isn't going to get any better. If he does Vela will improve as well, meaning Vela will always be the better player.
    7) I think a player of any height can head a ball, I don't believe you need to be freakishly tall to head the ball,
    8) Bendtner missed two glorious headed oppurtunities against Man U - I think this proves that tall players aren't garunteed to convert headed chances.
    9) When first choice first team striker for Birmingham city, in 48 games Bendtner scored 13 goals. (Source. WIKIPEDIA).
    10) I do not think this is the strikerate of a good striker of any age.

    Just reading through that, I'm really struggling to see whats so outlandish?! Never mind ignorant, idiotic or moronic.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[Although if you were censored it would stop you name calling like a three year old, I’ve just noticed I’m a dimwit.

    Quick summary for you:
    1) I believe Bendtner is shit.
    2) I believe Tevez is a better player.
    3) I do not believe there would be a negative impact on Arsenal FC if Tevez replaced Bendtner.
    4) I believe that Vela is a better player than Bendtner.
    5) I’m pretty sure Vela is younger than Bendtner.
    6) I use the above two facts to draw a conclusion - Bendtner isn’t going to get any better. If he does Vela will improve as well, meaning Vela will always be the better player.
    7) I think a player of any height can head a ball, I don’t believe you need to be freakishly tall to head the ball,
    8 ) Bendtner missed two glorious headed oppurtunities against Man U - I think this proves that tall players aren’t garunteed to convert headed chances.
    9) When first choice first team striker for Birmingham city, in 48 games Bendtner scored 13 goals. (Source. WIKIPEDIA).
    10) I do not think this is the strikerate of a good striker of any age.

    Just reading through that, I’m really struggling to see whats so outlandish?! Never mind ignorant, idiotic or moronic.]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[another attempt to try and cover up ur lies and faulty argument. i was clearly talking about ade when i mentioned 24 yrs old.

    who's not reading who properly ?!

    and i'v mentioned countless other times about bendtner being '20ish'. how could you have overlooked that ?!

    who's not reading who properly ? and you accuse me of not reading you properly.

    you cant follow what i'v written and that makes it not ur fault. thats logic isnt it.

    i didnt resort to name-calling bcuz it gave me thrills. i did so bcuz you were ignorant, in not reading what i'd written properly, and you were using inconclusive statistics to base ur argument on. whether they are in fact true became another matter when you said bendtner was 24. no wonder i resorted to name-calling. and even i dont understand what the big deal with an 'ignorant fool' or 'dimwit' is. they are characterizations based on credible evidence that you gave me, of urself. i dont believe i called you an 'idiot'. i said 'idiotic' implying that ur argument was idiotic. and i already explained that i didnt call you a moron (if i wanted to i would have said so directly), i've already said that i meant 'if' you thought in a particular way, then you 'could' be an idiot. and once again you've shown that you completely ignored my explanations. what does that make you if not an ignorant fool and a dimwit.

    great summarization. covering up most of the faulty logic. too late though. the comments are staying.]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[in quoting me you've yet again conveniently missed out the part where i wrote 'ade'.

    this is what i had written
    'ade in some ways dissappoints me. he still needs to work on his game. he’s not as good as kanu when he’s got the ball at his feet. he’s not good enough as a striker needs to be when he’s got that kind of height. but again he’s 24.']]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[i realized you were ignorant, so i had to call you an ignorant. but that sounds incomplete you know.

    i couldnt have just said 'you ignorant.' there needs to be something after that for it to remain grammatically correct. and 'you ignorant human' wouldnt have had the same effect. and you've given me no reason to be polite so i thought 'you ignorant fool' would be fine.

    i remember saying 'no offence' which you've conveniently missed out again. told you you'd take it to heart didnt i.]]>

  • devday

    < ![CDATA[Zohaib, dude, chillax...!

    Chillax is a good word actually but emphasises itself = to chill and relax.

    Dictionary.Com says:

    a combination of "chill" and "relax". Usually uses it as a commentary on the main story conflict, which he often first ignores.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[Ok then I agree. I bow down to your superior intelect. Nick Bendtner is the single greatest footballer the universe has ever, and will ever see.

    One last thing - its difficult not take to heart name calling you big hairy clams quim. So you see, you can say no offence as many times as you like, but questioning someone's intelligence is offensive.

    Its slightly bizarre though, being called ignorant by someone who apparently put his grammar and punctuation in the washing machine.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    Haha, now you’ve gone and moderated all those comments the flow is even more crazy!! This page makes brilliant reading.

  • devday

    LOL!

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[once again. evidence of ur ignorance. i never said bendtner was the ' single greatest footballer the universe has ever, and will ever see' nor did i imply that.

    how and why then will i not question your intelligence, when you give me more than enough reason to. and i highly doubt questioning anyone's intelligence is offensive. it only becomes offensive if that someone thinks of himself as not intelligent. if you have no doubt in your mind that you're not unintelligent, then you would simply ignore my analysis, labelling it as incorrect. however, if you have a guilty conscience, then you will be offended, as you are.

    just like you called me a set of names. (i always knew you had it in you, but were trying real hard to control ur urges, and finally u've let fly. well done son. and that makes you any better than me. lol. classic case of 'proved urself wrong' ? lol)

    and i'v just ignored what you said. it makes a rat's ass of a diff to my life what some ignorant human thinks of me as a result of what i'v written about a particular sport. i know that just because you think i'm a so and so, doesnt make me a so and so.

    and dont try and use excuses now for not understanding what i've written. its damn clear that you're using all you can to make a case for ur argument, but its also a damn shame that you're making clear excuses for being ignorant, bcuz u cant bother reading, ur too busy being excited by the next set of rubbish ur gona write and the list of possible names you can call me. lol.

    'i'v moderated comments' - yet again evidence of ur ignorance and lies.]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[i thought you sed you woudnt take it to heart and hence i thought it'd be okay to call you what i did.
    i realize that you have taken it to heart. and it was never meant to offend, which you obviously won't agree with.

    anyway i apologize for calling kieran the names i actually did, not the ones he dreamt of.]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    < ![CDATA[

    One last thing – its difficult not take to heart name calling you big hairy clams quim.

    just like you called me a set of names. (i always knew you had it in you, but were trying real hard to control ur urges, and finally u’ve let fly. well done son. and that makes you any better than me. lol. classic case of ‘proved urself wrong’ ? lol)

    Ah, missed the intentional irony then?

    Final attempt – I don’t take to heart anything you say, including you questioning my opinion or choices. We all have different opinions – that’s what makes life beautiful. I seem to remember we disagreed about Keane as well (had a shocker again last night didn’t he!). What I take to heart is name calling.

    It’s just a bit pointless and serves no purpose, and ruins what was an otherwise healthy and fun debate.]]>

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA['One last thing - its difficult not take to heart name calling you big hairy clams quim.'

    missed the grammatical mistake ? maybe thats why it doesnt make any sense ...]]>

  • http://kierandelaney.net/blog kierandelaney.net/blog

    No, Irony. Look it up.

  • zohaib

    < ![CDATA[‘One last thing - its DIFFICULT NOT TAKE to heart name calling you big hairy clams quim.’

    no grammatical error there ?

    incorrect analysis that i dont know what irony means. what i dont know is how its being implied in a grammatically incorrect sentence ... care to elaborate ?]]>