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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;![CDATA[I missed an argument, Darn!

Pissed off - dude you don&#039;t strike me as a true Gooner. I know its out of order to question ones loyalities, because we are all in this together but you drop a couple of hints that you may be a bit of a glory hunter.

&quot;elief me we are in Arsenal today bc we all belief they are capable of winning the league.&quot; - err, no. I have been brought up on Arsenal, and while i&#039;m not as old as Kieran ( :P ) I was supporting Arsenal when they were a mid table side.

I do admire your idealistic view that we truly BELONG at the top of the table, but its just not true. There are many huge clubs in the prem and we are just one of them. Your a bit disilusional in that sense. I do agree that it is kind of crunch time this season. Not necessarily for Wenger but for the current setup. The way the club is run. If things were not to go our way this year, i think it will be time to dip into the purse.

I think Cole is incredible. He just doesn&#039;t know when he has something amazing. Arsenal! He had us, we had him, he was loved... he loved us? Cheryl Tweedy! She is so fucking hot it makes my tackle tingle. You have to be mad to fool around away from home! Money! He had loads of it as it was. But the greedy bastard wants more, more, more and then some. Absolute tool.]]&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>< ![CDATA[I missed an argument, Darn!</p>
<p>Pissed off - dude you don't strike me as a true Gooner. I know its out of order to question ones loyalities, because we are all in this together but you drop a couple of hints that you may be a bit of a glory hunter.</p>
<p>"elief me we are in Arsenal today bc we all belief they are capable of winning the league." - err, no. I have been brought up on Arsenal, and while i'm not as old as Kieran ( :P ) I was supporting Arsenal when they were a mid table side.</p>
<p>I do admire your idealistic view that we truly BELONG at the top of the table, but its just not true. There are many huge clubs in the prem and we are just one of them. Your a bit disilusional in that sense. I do agree that it is kind of crunch time this season. Not necessarily for Wenger but for the current setup. The way the club is run. If things were not to go our way this year, i think it will be time to dip into the purse.</p>
<p>I think Cole is incredible. He just doesn't know when he has something amazing. Arsenal! He had us, we had him, he was loved... he loved us? Cheryl Tweedy! She is so fucking hot it makes my tackle tingle. You have to be mad to fool around away from home! Money! He had loads of it as it was. But the greedy bastard wants more, more, more and then some. Absolute tool.]]></p>
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		<title>By: kierandelaney.net/blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>kierandelaney.net/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its a new house! Or 4 new top of the range ferraris. Or a gagging order on a tabloid because you stuck a mobile up your (then) teammates arse!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a new house! Or 4 new top of the range ferraris. Or a gagging order on a tabloid because you stuck a mobile up your (then) teammates arse!</p>
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		<title>By: Fo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kieran, although it was £1m over 4 years. That may seem a lot to us, but when you&#039;re getting paid £12m over 4 years, then it&#039;s a different issue all together!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kieran, although it was £1m over 4 years. That may seem a lot to us, but when you&#8217;re getting paid £12m over 4 years, then it&#8217;s a different issue all together!</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;![CDATA[First, I understand that Cesc would feel a sense of loss because he can no longer play with his close friend (Hleb). I also understand that he’s feeling more pressure on him to perform because, as I said and was criticized roundly for last year, he’s lost the cover that Flamini provided. But what I don’t understand is why he has decided to denigrate the contributions of his current teammates and himself.

As good as Hleb was (at not shooting) in his last year of playing with us he was shockingly bad for the two years previous. He wasn’t creative at all, he was more likely to dribble into a dark alley than to put in a proper cross or otherwise open up the opponent’s defense. And then, of course, there was his chronic inability to shoot when presented with open chances. No, I’m sorry, but Samir Nasri already looks a more than apt replacement for Hleb. Why Cesc is slagging off Nasri I have no idea.

On the Flamini issue? Yes. We need another Flamini. But given the rise of Ramsey and Wilshere and Wenger’s desire to play those two and bring them up rather than buying a player, I can’t see him spending the money on Yaya or Alonso this January. Unless Cesc threatens to quit or something.

But more than just the individuals, what’s really troubling with this statement is the way that Cesc sees himself. The team lacks experience? Wait, what about Cesc? Isn’t he experienced? What about all those finals he’s been in, the trophy he won this summer, don’t those count for anything? I disagree with him here, Cesc possesses the requisite experience, and it’s his job now to pass that on.

What I think we’re really hearing from Cesc is that Arsenal lack the leadership that someone like Flamini provided. We’re hearing, moreover, that Cesc lacks the leadership to transfer his own abundance of experience over to the others.

I guess that’s why Arsene didn’t make Cesc the captain: he’s too busy looking for others to provide the leadership and experience. I almost feel like someone should give him a “leadership coin” and say to him “Ok, Cesc, put that magic coin in your sock and it will magically give you the leadership qualities that you’re looking for in others.” Then, you know, he could lose the coin and show some leadership and we’d all say “that was just an ordinary coin! The qualities you sought were already within you!” and there would be a rainbow and birds chirping and a fucking trophy and Spurs would be relegated.

That’s my fantasy anyway.

I hope the manager has a couple of words with Cesc, at least, and tells him that he’s a leader now, that Denilson and Rambo and Nasri and Theo all need him to step up and play that role. Oh, and also, don’t slag off your teammates publicly, jerk.]]&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>< ![CDATA[First, I understand that Cesc would feel a sense of loss because he can no longer play with his close friend (Hleb). I also understand that he’s feeling more pressure on him to perform because, as I said and was criticized roundly for last year, he’s lost the cover that Flamini provided. But what I don’t understand is why he has decided to denigrate the contributions of his current teammates and himself.</p>
<p>As good as Hleb was (at not shooting) in his last year of playing with us he was shockingly bad for the two years previous. He wasn’t creative at all, he was more likely to dribble into a dark alley than to put in a proper cross or otherwise open up the opponent’s defense. And then, of course, there was his chronic inability to shoot when presented with open chances. No, I’m sorry, but Samir Nasri already looks a more than apt replacement for Hleb. Why Cesc is slagging off Nasri I have no idea.</p>
<p>On the Flamini issue? Yes. We need another Flamini. But given the rise of Ramsey and Wilshere and Wenger’s desire to play those two and bring them up rather than buying a player, I can’t see him spending the money on Yaya or Alonso this January. Unless Cesc threatens to quit or something.</p>
<p>But more than just the individuals, what’s really troubling with this statement is the way that Cesc sees himself. The team lacks experience? Wait, what about Cesc? Isn’t he experienced? What about all those finals he’s been in, the trophy he won this summer, don’t those count for anything? I disagree with him here, Cesc possesses the requisite experience, and it’s his job now to pass that on.</p>
<p>What I think we’re really hearing from Cesc is that Arsenal lack the leadership that someone like Flamini provided. We’re hearing, moreover, that Cesc lacks the leadership to transfer his own abundance of experience over to the others.</p>
<p>I guess that’s why Arsene didn’t make Cesc the captain: he’s too busy looking for others to provide the leadership and experience. I almost feel like someone should give him a “leadership coin” and say to him “Ok, Cesc, put that magic coin in your sock and it will magically give you the leadership qualities that you’re looking for in others.” Then, you know, he could lose the coin and show some leadership and we’d all say “that was just an ordinary coin! The qualities you sought were already within you!” and there would be a rainbow and birds chirping and a fucking trophy and Spurs would be relegated.</p>
<p>That’s my fantasy anyway.</p>
<p>I hope the manager has a couple of words with Cesc, at least, and tells him that he’s a leader now, that Denilson and Rambo and Nasri and Theo all need him to step up and play that role. Oh, and also, don’t slag off your teammates publicly, jerk.]]></p>
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		<title>By: juniper</title>
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		<dc:creator>juniper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;![CDATA[Ive been to football games all over the world and i have to say the Arsenal fans are NOW the quietest set of fans i have ever seen.

Our fans just come to games and sit their like they are at a cinema, We need to get the place rocking like the fans up north. You go to some places it really intimidatingly and the home team are on a high and its almost like a goal start to them.

I remember a few season ago Arsenal played away to Liverpool and Henry came off the pitch and said how great the Liverpool fans were and how they didn’t stop singing and the sound breathtaking.

So what can we do to improve things at home games?

Our away fans are quality, Maybe its because they are die hard gooners who will take annual leave at work to watch the team.They are the real fans and not the plastic twats that turn up late and leave early that you see week in week at at Arsenal.

I think the problem is that Arsenal have got to many yuppie type fans who turn up and have a few bottles of champagne and don’t really care about the team, its just a day out for them.

But why should this be a problem for Arsenal FC. The yuppies are paying big money to watch games.And Arsenal stopped carrying about the real local fans a long time ago.

IMO Arsenal need to lower prices and get more of the proper fans back into grounds. most of the working class fans have to go to the pub to watch the games.Or bring back a small standing area.

They are the type of fans we need back at Arsenal. The Average joe who works long hours and loves the game who turns and has passion for the club. Not some toffee noses rest boy who could not tell you the name of our reserve keeper.

I remember my old man giving me a tenner as a kid on a Saturday morning and then going off to the North Bank with a few mate. We use to stand behind the goal and we use to see the same faces standing in the same spot every home game. A program and a burger and i still have enough money to get a bus home. All that out of a tenner. Now you need to take out a loan to go and watch a game. And thats whats killed the real fans in football. The heart and soul of the club, Local and real fans that showed passion.]]&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>< ![CDATA[Ive been to football games all over the world and i have to say the Arsenal fans are NOW the quietest set of fans i have ever seen.</p>
<p>Our fans just come to games and sit their like they are at a cinema, We need to get the place rocking like the fans up north. You go to some places it really intimidatingly and the home team are on a high and its almost like a goal start to them.</p>
<p>I remember a few season ago Arsenal played away to Liverpool and Henry came off the pitch and said how great the Liverpool fans were and how they didn’t stop singing and the sound breathtaking.</p>
<p>So what can we do to improve things at home games?</p>
<p>Our away fans are quality, Maybe its because they are die hard gooners who will take annual leave at work to watch the team.They are the real fans and not the plastic twats that turn up late and leave early that you see week in week at at Arsenal.</p>
<p>I think the problem is that Arsenal have got to many yuppie type fans who turn up and have a few bottles of champagne and don’t really care about the team, its just a day out for them.</p>
<p>But why should this be a problem for Arsenal FC. The yuppies are paying big money to watch games.And Arsenal stopped carrying about the real local fans a long time ago.</p>
<p>IMO Arsenal need to lower prices and get more of the proper fans back into grounds. most of the working class fans have to go to the pub to watch the games.Or bring back a small standing area.</p>
<p>They are the type of fans we need back at Arsenal. The Average joe who works long hours and loves the game who turns and has passion for the club. Not some toffee noses rest boy who could not tell you the name of our reserve keeper.</p>
<p>I remember my old man giving me a tenner as a kid on a Saturday morning and then going off to the North Bank with a few mate. We use to stand behind the goal and we use to see the same faces standing in the same spot every home game. A program and a burger and i still have enough money to get a bus home. All that out of a tenner. Now you need to take out a loan to go and watch a game. And thats whats killed the real fans in football. The heart and soul of the club, Local and real fans that showed passion.]]></p>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;![CDATA[What Fabregas should remember is that because of the set up at Arsenal he is a big star and life might not be as good for him elsewhere.

After Thierry Henry moaned and creaked his way out of the club, the Spaniard said: &#039;He is a great player but it was not easy to play alongside him. We were a bit inhibited by him - dependent on everything that he wanted to do.&#039;

Fabregas looks set to make the same mistake.]]&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>< ![CDATA[What Fabregas should remember is that because of the set up at Arsenal he is a big star and life might not be as good for him elsewhere.</p>
<p>After Thierry Henry moaned and creaked his way out of the club, the Spaniard said: 'He is a great player but it was not easy to play alongside him. We were a bit inhibited by him - dependent on everything that he wanted to do.'</p>
<p>Fabregas looks set to make the same mistake.]]></p>
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		<title>By: kierandelaney.net/blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>kierandelaney.net/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Support Manchester United then!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Support Manchester United then!!</p>
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		<title>By: pissed off</title>
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		<dc:creator>pissed off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;![CDATA[Yeah i agree all that blabbing of yours. Am not blind either, I know the league is too young but you ve to agree with that we need a lot of hardworking to get any trophy these season.

Manu went 3 seasons without a trophy and what did they reply with, A league trophy; second season they aquired more assets( Harg, Tevez , Anderson) And returned that same season with a double, a double!  Kieren. What will wenger respond with after four seasons without any major trophy.Moment of truth Kieran]]&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>< ![CDATA[Yeah i agree all that blabbing of yours. Am not blind either, I know the league is too young but you ve to agree with that we need a lot of hardworking to get any trophy these season.</p>
<p>Manu went 3 seasons without a trophy and what did they reply with, A league trophy; second season they aquired more assets( Harg, Tevez , Anderson) And returned that same season with a double, a double!  Kieren. What will wenger respond with after four seasons without any major trophy.Moment of truth Kieran]]></p>
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		<title>By: kierandelaney.net/blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>kierandelaney.net/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;![CDATA[I give in - you&#039;re clearly incapable of basic understanding. I said we are better than those teams - so count your lucky stars you&#039;re worrying about 4th spot and not if you&#039;ll get relagated.

We&#039;re not targetting 4th at all - I genuinely don&#039;t see any team expecting to win. If Liverpool keep up their form they have a chance. Utd don&#039;t look as string as they have, but they have a chance. Chelsea look great with Deco, but without him so far not so great. Again they have a chance. Its a close thing. Its a league. Its exciting. Its football.]]&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>< ![CDATA[I give in - you're clearly incapable of basic understanding. I said we are better than those teams - so count your lucky stars you're worrying about 4th spot and not if you'll get relagated.</p>
<p>We're not targetting 4th at all - I genuinely don't see any team expecting to win. If Liverpool keep up their form they have a chance. Utd don't look as string as they have, but they have a chance. Chelsea look great with Deco, but without him so far not so great. Again they have a chance. Its a close thing. Its a league. Its exciting. Its football.]]></p>
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		<title>By: pissed off</title>
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		<dc:creator>pissed off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;![CDATA[What does a great team mean to you?  a team that targets the 4th position or one capable of winning the league?  Belief me we are in Arsenal today bc we all belief they are capable of winning the league. But in a situation were the players and fans dont have the belief any more it should give us fans a worry.

Its utterly  awful and unbeliveable that u kieren of all people is comparing our darling team to west what ? or everton.

Its time for Wenger to grow up,time are harsh ,we need something , we need belief , we need trophy nothing other than this year. Can Wenger do that?It use to be in Wengers hand the time of the fans are coming. Hope u fans understand.

So far we are far from it and I dont see us]]&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>< ![CDATA[What does a great team mean to you?  a team that targets the 4th position or one capable of winning the league?  Belief me we are in Arsenal today bc we all belief they are capable of winning the league. But in a situation were the players and fans dont have the belief any more it should give us fans a worry.</p>
<p>Its utterly  awful and unbeliveable that u kieren of all people is comparing our darling team to west what ? or everton.</p>
<p>Its time for Wenger to grow up,time are harsh ,we need something , we need belief , we need trophy nothing other than this year. Can Wenger do that?It use to be in Wengers hand the time of the fans are coming. Hope u fans understand.</p>
<p>So far we are far from it and I dont see us]]></p>
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